Crimestoppers hotline pulled because there is no evidence of legal firearms users being involved in terrorism; all security checks to be led by intelligence not calls from public

The Countryside Alliance has announced that the Crimestoppers hotline – set up “to encourage members of the shooting community and the general public to report any concerns about legally held firearms” – has been scrapped following public outcry.

The move is the result of lobbying by the Countryside Alliance, whose executive chairman Sir Barney White-Spunner met with chief constable Andy Marsh, the ACPO lead on firearms licensing earlier. The pair agreed a letter to shotgun and firearms certificate holders that explains “there is little evidence of legal firearms users being involved in terrorism”.

The letter, which is by Andy Marsh and Sir Barney White-Spunner jointly, reads:

I understand that the dedicated Crimestoppers hotline has caused concerns and anxiety amongst the shooting community, and in particular amongst certificate holders who feel that they could be targeted by those opposed to shooting. As a result of listening to those concerns we have agreed that there will no longer be a specific firearms licensing hotline number. We will continue to work with Crimestoppers, in close consultation with shooting organisations, around further campaigns on firearms licensing. However, these will only use the main Crimestoppers number.

Read the full letter here

The statement from the Countryside Alliance thanks everyone who joined their campaign to write to their MP and ask them to oppose the ACPO firearms campaign. 497 MPs received personal communications from their constituents in just two weeks!

In October we exclusively reported that police concern that members of the shooting community may be “vulnerable to criminal or terrorist groups” has prompted the Home Office to update its firearms guidance to support forces in England and Wales in their intention to start making unannounced home visits to legitimate gun owners.

Here’s the rest of our exclusive story in it’s entire form:

The policy, which is came into effective on 15 October, has been introduced ostensibly to ensure certificate holders are complying with firearms security measures — this is despite the fact that the Home Office’s own figures show that theft of guns is not a widespread concern. On average, in the past five years, annually just 0.025 per cent of the 1,837,243 legally held firearms and shotguns in England and Wales were stolen — an average of just 475 guns per year. The figures are not broken down to indicate whether a firearm was stolen from a home, military or commercial environment or whether it was stolen in transit.

When online news site The Register analysed figures of stolen guns quoted by Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) the results suggested that the police figures give an inflated picture of the number of actual firearms stolen. Comparing the ACPO figures to data obtained by the BBC through Freedom of Information requests, which differentiated between actual guns and items such as moderators and spare barrels, which are treated as firearms for licensing and crime recording purposes. The Register concluded that: “the figures appear to show that ACPO is over-reporting the number of losses and thefts of lethal barrelled weapons by an average of 10 per cent. If shotguns are removed from the data, ACPO’s statistics seem to record double the number of firearms stolen than is actually the case according to the detailed Home Office stats.”

Despite such low figures and little evidence of a genuine problem, a dedicated Crimestoppers hotline has also been launched “to encourage members of the shooting community and the general public to report any concerns about legally held firearms”. BASC called the hotline “unnecessary and inappropriate”. The Countryside Alliance has launched an e-campaign for shooters to call on their MP to oppose the police campaign which, it says “encourages an untrusting and vindictive attitude from your friends and neighbours”.

Chief Constable Andy Marsh, the national policing lead for firearms and explosives licensing, called on the shooting community to lend its support to the new measures, saying: “The public and especially the shooting community can greatly assist the police in gathering intelligence and protecting our communities by being vigilant around firearms licensing. The shooting community is close, and will recognise sudden behavioural changes in fellow shooters that could cause concerns. However, they may not feel like they can act and the Crimestoppers hotline empowers people to voice concerns anonymously.”

He added: “If you are concerned that guns are being kept insecurely or notice signs that shooters may be vulnerable to criminal or terrorist groups or have shown sympathy towards extremist acts, please report it.”

The new Home Office guidance states: “Where it is judged necessary, based on specific intelligence in light of a particular threat, or risk of harm, the police may undertake an unannounced home visit to check the security of a certificate holder’s firearms and shotguns. It is not expected that the police will undertake an unannounced home visit at an unsocial hour unless there is a justified and specific requirement to do so on the grounds of crime prevention or public safety concerns, and the police judge that this action is both justified and proportionate.”

Importantly, shooters must understand that no new power of entry has been conferred on the police or police staff, and those undertaking a visit must provide “a clear and reasoned explanation” for doing so.

In launching the measure, Chief Constable Marsh stressed that the police’s intention is not to “catch out gun owners”. He said: “I know that the vast majority of gun owners understand their responsibility to secure firearms and in the main take this very seriously, which allows their continued lawful use for work or leisure purposes.”

BASC’s Richard Ali stated that the association backs the police in their efforts to help firearms certificate holders “maintain the excellent record of safety and security in England and Wales”. He added: “Where there is specific intelligence of threat, risk or harm then the police should act.”

The Countryside Alliance has called ACPO’s campaign to target the legitimate shooting community over security concerns “unjustified and ill-judged”. The CA’s director of campaigns, Tim Bonner, said: “This campaign is exactly the sort of knee-jerk reaction to an unrelated problem that the Government had promised to avoid. It is unjustified and ill-judged, and will serve only to waste police resources and alienate a large and law abiding section of the community.

“The public appeal for information about certificate holders through Crimestoppers will encourage malicious complaints and the link made with radicalisation and terrorism is insulting and ridiculous. We have not been made aware of a single recent incident in which a licence holder has misused a firearm in pursuit of an extremist agenda.”

This latest move follows on from the introduction last year of Operation Solitaire, a community engagement project which is, according to the police, “aimed at reducing the vulnerability of those with legitimate access to firearms, to using these weapons illegally.” The operation’s target audience includes people who have “regular interaction with holders of firearms and shotgun certificates”.

Police firearms enquiry officers and neighbourhood officers have visited shooting clubs and registered firearms dealers in recent months to highlight concerns surrounding the potential for terrorists or mass killers to exist within the shooting community.

One gun club member recently wrote in an online forum for armed services personnel that his personal experience of the Operation Solitaire initiative was: “the crappiest attempt by the plod at getting us to grass each other up as lone wolf killers”.

On 24 October, Sir Barney White Spunner, executive chairman of the CA, attended a meeting in Downing Street to discuss the new initiative. Reporting on the meeting on the CA’s website Sir Barney wrote: “It was acknowledged that there are various issues that need to be addressed and the CA and ACPO agreed that we would work closely together to resolve them. Chief Constable Andy Marsh and I will be meeting again in the very near future after which we will be writing to the shooting community to explain the way forward, which looks to be sensible and positive.”

How have people reacted to the news?

BASC’s advice on home visits:

The BASC is advising members to ensure their security arrangements are up to standard. The association is reminding shooters that the police are required to provide a clear and reasoned explanation to certificate holders at the time of an unannounced visit. Shooters should be left in no doubt as to why the visit is being made. The association has reiterated that the police DO NOT have an automatic statutory right of entry, but BASC recommends a sensible and co-operative approach to this type of situation.

BASC states: “It is possible that the reason for visiting may not be specifically about the certificate holder but may relate to other factors such as local rural or urban crime. There is an expectation of elementary co-operation from certificate holders following a reasonable request to check the security of your firearms.”

If shooters feel that any visit has not been undertaken properly, they should first draw this to the attention of the local force, clearly stating the reasons why they believe this to be the case. BASC has also stated that it will challenge robustly any police force which does not correctly follow the Home Office guidelines.

Follow these links to BASC’s advice to members and BASC’s advice for firearms security

Share your opinion in the comments below:

  • Mark Johnson

    The Police obviously have nothing to-do so maybe more of them should be made redundant.

  • Mark Johnson

    Its not a privilege.

  • Mark Johnson

    Firearm ownership is not a privilege. It is your right to own any legal firearm in the UK as long as you meet the criteria. If it was a privilege then by that definition you would have no right of appeal against refusals and revocations. You do. Dont let MPs or the Police tell you otherwise. There is nothing in any firearms act which states that its a privilege.

  • neutron619

    Sorry – but you’re categorically wrong. Firearm ownership is not, in spite of what the police and politicians regularly say, a privilege. It IS a right and one we are entitled to exercise – unless the Chief Officer of police can show why we are not suitable to be entrusted with a firearm. Even in the case of firearm certificates, the default position must be to grant the certificate unless the Chief Officer can show a valid reason in law not to grant.

  • Phil Bessant

    my counter signatory is a nuclear physicist and a clone trooper – ooohhh scary

  • Ian Auty

    I have no issue with these on the spot inspections, I didn’t even know the police had to give notice before. Firearm ownership in the UK is a privilege not a right.

    However, I also support looser firearm restrictions. Can I have my pistol back? They can come round every week if they like and I’ll open the safe. Will quickly inconvenience the police more then it will me.

  • Gary Schwab

    To be a citizen you have to have a constitution. The British have a monarch, they are SUBJECTS.

  • Marty

    This has absolutely nothing to do with safety and everything to do with the end of private ownership of firearms. Somehow a terrorist stealing a 20 gauge shotgun used for skeet to be used in terrorist activity does not seem to add up. In the US the antis continue to try to pass laws in the name of keeping the people safe.

  • 11B30_INF

    Just show what will happen in America if we allow corrupt politicians get away with this!

  • EhCanadianEh

    The government itself should be your fear.

    IF you honestly think “if you have nothing to hide what is the problem” you have to sit back and consider something.

    People in prison have cameras on them all the time. Their every action is monitored. Their faces can never be covered so facial recognition softwear can track their moves, no hoodies nor masks ever. Phone calls are recorded and monitored. Internet activity, also recorded and monitored. Social media, the same.

    These are violent criminals convicted of an offense who have lost their freedom. They are being not only punished but also controlled by the state who does not trust them and needs dominate power over them.

    I ask you how do you (this is directed at citizens of the UK or anyone who approves of these state sponsored actions against legal law abiding citizens) as a UK citizen differ from a common prisoner in jail?

    Are you free???

  • EhCanadianEh

    Freedom is measured by those good people’s of a country with the least of it, in this country it is legal firearm’s owners. It seems their right to presumption of innocence as well as privacy no longer exist, ergo their freedoms are dead already.

    These are not a free peoples.

  • AD_Rtr_OS

    The next time the United Kingdom needs help in defending itself from an existential threat, this Arsenal of Democracy will vote NO!, DAMN NO!, and STFU NO!
    Remember, we play baseball over here, and that third-strike means “You’re Out!”

  • Menotyou

    I see witch hunting is alive and well in the UK.
    In the end, fascism seems to have won.

  • Dave B

    If you guys hadn’t given up all your guns without firing them in the first place you wouldn’t be here. I don’t know how you recover but you better get jiggy with it. Should the Muslims take over your Government you are going to become extinct fast.

  • Dave B

    I would rather they trust their citizens.
    Look what “Men” have become in the UK.

  • manosdepiedra

    Guns. People who kill things. Let’s keep them apart.

  • Mark Johnson

    I wonder how many law abiding firearms owners will lose their certificates because when the police come round their partner happens to know where the keys are kept.

  • greyduc

    what are you afraid of?

  • greyduc

    wow

  • eastern_pole

    I own a shotgun. So now that makes me a suspect terrorist? I went to school in Poland. Chemistry teachers taught me, among other interesting things, how to make highly poisonous chloride gas from certain household detergents. I also know how to produce highly explosive hydrogen gas, make a propellant using soda nitre and some common household chemicals, make black powder at home, etc. That’s common knowledge learnt at school. I know I guess that makes all the Polish suspect terrorists and they should expect unannounced visits? Or is that gun thing just another way to harass legitimate law abiding sport shooters and discourage private firearm ownership on some twisted political grounds? And of course they wouldn’t dare to harass real criminals because they may be dangerous. When my flat was burgled, they told me to look for my stuff on ebay. When I was assaulted right in front of my home, they advised me to stay home and not to show my face on the street where I live.

  • Pat Gray

    Just more big government BS….The real criminals DO NOT register their guns.
    Only the law-abiding do so (at their peril).

  • Ugly

    Absolutely sot on I would rather they visited those with guns and no licenses!

  • Richard Adams

    It’s a hoax right? So some of the most legally compliant people in the country are all of a sudden involved in potential terrorist activity. Watch out fisherman of Britain you’re next.